tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post8354024579503631511..comments2023-09-05T08:15:41.779-04:00Comments on Apocalypse 2010: Signs of the end in Current Events: Nephilim (Giants) in the Bible: Fallen angels or big brutes?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03236980151361084352noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-56042968492716416632013-03-16T08:59:41.274-04:002013-03-16T08:59:41.274-04:00If we are going to discuss biblical issues then le...If we are going to discuss biblical issues then let's stick to the bible.<br />The "sons of God"<br />Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. <br />Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. <br />Job_1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. <br />Job_2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. <br />Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? <br />Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: <br />Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. <br />Rom_8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. <br />Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; <br />1Jn_3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. <br />1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. <br />CLEARLY the sons of God are God fearing MEN.<br /><br />Children of God<br />Children of God<br />Mat_5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. <br />Luk_20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. <br />Joh_11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. <br />Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: <br />Rom_8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. <br />Rom_9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. <br />Gal_3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. <br />1Jn_3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. <br />1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. <br />Children = boys AND girls<br /><br />Are there other worlds...<br />Heb_1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; <br />Heb_11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. <br /><br />A more logic explanation is that the descendants of Seth(sons of God) married the "daughters of men" (descendants of Cain)<br /><br />Why then were Satan among the Sons of God (from the unfallen worlds)?<br />Because man lost his dominion of the earth given to him in Gen 1:28 to satan when he ate from the forbidden tree,(Also read Luk 4 : 6)and therefore lost the privilege of representing the earth before God. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-51987883971970648602011-07-17T12:09:29.599-04:002011-07-17T12:09:29.599-04:00Even though my friend, Paul Sandhu, and I have don...Even though my friend, Paul Sandhu, and I have done an entire series of shows on the subject of the Nephillim/giants on my show; I have concluded that we disagree.<br /><br />One cannot simply use the Bible as an arbiter of history to prove/disprove many other texts and records which document that humankind interacted with angelic beings. The abundance of evidence in many ancient accounts, plus numerous artifacts found in civilizations from Sumeria, Egypt, Mesopotamia, to the Meso-American cultures give wide evidence as to the existence of hybrid beings which resulted from human-angelic interaction.<br /><br />The Bible, while a wonderful chronicle of God's work with a specific group of people, the Hebrews, and the fulfillment of Messiah as Christ Jesus, is not a record of the history of humankind. Rather, it is a subset of history interwoven with a spiritual plan for redemption.<br /><br />Just as one would not use a cookbook to learn how to fix one's automobile, we must be cautioned, likewise, to not use the scriptures of the Hebrews to learn about the wider scope of history. The Bible may be reverenced for its value as a spiritual work, and for the glimpses it offers into history related to its millieu; but is NOT in any manner a conclusive source for history.<br /><br />I will add that Biblical historical literalism is a great barrier to spiritual warfare, as millions of "Biblical Christians" remain ignorant of the immense power that opposes them in the realms of the physical plane and the heavens. Because a matter is not "in" the Bible, or the Bible is unclear or inconclusive, does not render the matter "void." <br /><br />Paul writes:<br />" If they are so insistent on using the original Hebrew words they should just give up the English language and start using Hebrew for all their communications."<br /><br />This is pure sophistry, based on the conceit that modern English is all-inclusive, and renders all meanings perfectly. Not only is it a denial of good scholarship, but ignores the lessons of history whereby the English language was based upon linguistic minimalism (see Francis Bacon, "The New Atlantis" and writings of 19th century illuminists.) One need not be a scholar to study the words of ancient Hebrew (or Aramaic/Greek/Latin, and find that our present language is a contraction of the richness of those tongues.<br /><br />Arguing history, even the mythological works of ancient times, from a single source which has been translated and re-translated is simply ignorance of a much larger tapestry of history and language. Arguing spiritual concepts by linguistics alone is a fool's errand, and demonstrates a willful ignorance, again, of a wider body of evidence, both physical and spiritual.<br /><br />I have great wartmth for Paul's work, and value his understanding of the scriptures, but on this matter we are in sharp disagreement. I come to this conclusion nearly three years after doing the shows with Paul on the Threshing Floor, but I am grateful FOR those shows, as they quickened me to seek deeper the truths behing what we now call the Nephillim/ET/UFO phenomena.<br /><br />Randy Maugans-The Threshing Floor<br />http://threshingfloor-radio.comRandyMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14498540469431172109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-87686245992329018772011-01-04T19:17:02.871-05:002011-01-04T19:17:02.871-05:00You know,it's easy to see why so many people c...You know,it's easy to see why so many people can not come to Christ.All the comments I have read here are something else. If You whom are supposed to help them see the truth are confused then what? Please read the Bible and analyse what you read,the Bible clearly states angel do NOT have sex, in fact to enter the swine they had to ask Jesus for permission.What makes anyone believe they can have sex or enter a persons body a will;can you imagine what this world would be like if they had that power? which by the way is what will happen when the restraint of the Holy Spirit is removed and even then they will not be able to invade the humane soul. So read in Heb. Nephilim, meaning "violent" or "causing to fall" (Gen.6:4). These were the violent tyrants of those days, those who fell upon others. In other words it refers to people who inspire fear by just looking at them and I'm sure we've all seen that type of person;they are bullies who prey on the weaker person.Besides that,Only GOD has the power to create human life not satan.<br /><br />Another thing psalm 8:5 says For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels,4480, 430 and hast crowned him with glory and honor. <br />Psa 8:6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: <br />Psa 8:7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;<br />The word wrongly translated angels here is Strongs H430 'elohiym which means You have made him a little lower that You (Yourself)Christ never was and never will be lower that any angel and neither will we.<br />Man was given dominion over all creation (air,land and sea) <br />We are not permitted to worship angels,they are there to serve us not visa versa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-80237420860740614542011-01-04T19:04:51.756-05:002011-01-04T19:04:51.756-05:00You know,it's easy to see why so many people c...You know,it's easy to see why so many people can not come to Christ.All the comments I have read here are something else. Please read the Bible and analyse what you read,the Bible clearly states angel do NOT have sex, in fact to enter the swine they had to ask Jesus for permission.What makes anyone believe they can have sex or enter a persons body a will;can you imagine what this world would be like if they had that power? which by the way is what will happen when the restraint of the Holy Spirit is removed and even then they will not be able to invade the humane soul. So read in Heb. Nephilim, meaning "violent" or "causing to fall" (Gen.6:4). These were the violent tyrants of those days, those who fell upon others. In other words it refers to people who inspire fear by just looking at them and I'm sure we've all seen that type of person;they are bullies who prey on the weaker person.Besides that,Only GOD has the power to create human life not satan.<br /><br />Another thing psalm 8:5 says For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels,4480, 430 and hast crowned him with glory and honor. <br />Psa 8:6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: <br />Psa 8:7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;<br />Psa 8:8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas. <br />The word wrongly translated angels here is Strongs H430 'ĕlôhîym which means You have made him a little lower that You (Yourself)Christ never was and never will be lower that any angel and neither will we. <br />Man was given dominion over all creation (air,land and sea)<br />We are not permitted to worship angels,they are there to serve us not visa versaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-63744518115912477952010-11-30T02:02:10.892-05:002010-11-30T02:02:10.892-05:00thanks owen and wendy for your information...as fa...thanks owen and wendy for your information...as far as addressing the article that states the bible doesn't refer to angels as the sons of God, read Job 2:1-2. now we know that the sons of God were angels because not only was Satan with them who is an angel but they came before God who was not in the earth as that is where they had just come from before coming before God and man could not do this. i hope this helps. i feel we all need to test the spirits and check things out in the bible and not just believe man, but God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-22301206022397666312010-08-17T08:56:24.093-04:002010-08-17T08:56:24.093-04:00The Benei Ha'Elohim (fallen angels) are a dire...The Benei Ha'Elohim (fallen angels) are a direct creation of God . Adam was also a direct creation of God, but his offspring were not direct creations but descendants.. the product of Adam and Eve. The Sons of God were the fallen angels who were a direct creation of God. They took the daughters of men. The book of Jude tells us that they left their proper domain to do this, and went after strange flesh (the daughters of men). We think that because the angels are not given in marriage that they are unable to to this thing that angered God... not so. All through scripture we are told that angels appeared, ate, and were able to be touched... They do not always appear as a spirit. The offspring of the fallen angels and daughters of men were the nephilim. Because they were corrupted flesh and not "produced after its own kind" as Genesis states Gods original creation would... when they died, their spirits would remain on earth, and are now called "Evil Spirits" as there is no redemption provided for them... We know stories of nephilim as "Greek Mythology" they were probably true stories of the Nephilim. It is a huge subject and relevant for now as we are told they will be back.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02492763059023145595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-67879673737693612392010-04-26T18:56:57.851-04:002010-04-26T18:56:57.851-04:00Very interesting. But I personally do not believe ...Very interesting. But I personally do not believe in life on other planets ET , but God is from the universe so he could be classed as a spaceman.<br />As for the nephilim there is much confusion exactly who the sons of god are, if they are human why does the bible not say that the sons of men mated with the Daughters of men?.<br />And why does the bible not refer to the human females as the Daughters of god.<br />There is so much history in the past that is lost, all that is left is stories and myths but many of these stories could be true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-50751349618116997192010-02-06T02:36:40.624-05:002010-02-06T02:36:40.624-05:00To live in the afterlife in the presence of God, o...To live in the afterlife in the presence of God, or otherwise, is plainly what Jesus taught. Hence there is a dimension we are only getting glimpses of. -As already pointed out: Angels are not sexual beings,procreation is reserved to mankind. However, we are also taught that Jesus was made a little lower than the angels. (Hebrew 2:7-9)<br />So - we can gather from that teaching that it is possible for TRANSDIMENSIONAL existence to take place. Jesus, the Son of God came willingly for a specific purpose ! TO SAVE MANKIND ! The agenda of the fallen angels was the opposite: To snare mankind into a mixup of origin, from which there is no redemption !<br />The angels came, after their fall with Lucifer, to defile humanity. There is no salvation for them, that is why they are discribed as 'dead'.<br />Admittedly there is so much we do not understand, but one thing we do know - the spiritual dimensions are far more complex than we understand, and the enteties living in it are quite varied.<br />Hope this will keep our minds open for more learning. <br />AnnaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-31054798263437877792010-02-05T21:11:23.991-05:002010-02-05T21:11:23.991-05:00I studied these Scriptures of Enoch would invite a...I studied these Scriptures of Enoch would invite all readers to look up Book of Enoch and start reading for yourselves. Much of what is said fills in great gaps in the scriptures. There have been too many sciptures found in various languages (with the exact same story about these Watchers and their children the Giants, who were to become the evil spirits talked about during the entire Bible) for these to not be true. Exciting reading. Explains much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-46210759652486111082010-02-04T14:56:55.651-05:002010-02-04T14:56:55.651-05:00WOW! I MUST SAY THIS IS VERY INTERESTING. I WOULD ...WOW! I MUST SAY THIS IS VERY INTERESTING. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE WRITTER THINKS ABOUT THESE OPINIONS OR FACTS. I WOULD LOVE TO READ MORE.I PERSONALLY DONT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BUT HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE TWO DIFFERENT NAMES IN THE BOOK OF GENESIS. I HAVE ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE BOOK OF ENOCH FOUND IN THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-10345200167051858592010-01-27T21:23:18.849-05:002010-01-27T21:23:18.849-05:00Nice post; I would just like to add that the book ...Nice post; I would just like to add that the book of Enoch is not mentioned. A very explicit story about the "Watchers" is told and how they had children with the women. Also how they came from the sky. Taken into account that Enoch is mentioned and quoted in many places not only in the bible but also on many other ancient books ranging to greeks to copies found in ethiopia. And also the one who prophesized the comming of the "chosen one" as he called him. Also he tells how the giants became the king of men and also consumed all their labor or work; and eventually started eating the humans. Ending the story with god being mad at the "Watchers"; sending them to a place which's description matches that of a Massive Black Hole eating several stars rolling in a fire disc (accretion disc) in a dance of death eaten by this amorphous terrible objet. Just like the stars dance around the black holes when they are devoured by it. The destiny of the giants product of the crossing of the "Watchers" and the women is death by the "big flood" which according to the book is sent by god for that particular purpose. Also I would like to mention that the many of the Tihuanaco sculptures have a god with "tears" on it's cheeks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1507087333994798182.post-76913268575675211902009-07-07T15:38:09.468-04:002009-07-07T15:38:09.468-04:00Good article. As far as the cosmic theory goes, t...Good article. As far as the cosmic theory goes, the only planet that seems like it might have been able to ever support life recently is Mars. And here we thought they'd be LITTLE green men!<br /><br />As far as them being the offspring of the Sons of God, I am not entirely convinced the Sons of God were exactly like angels in their nature. But that is neither here nor there, since it really can't be answered with the information we have now. When the bible speaks of Sons of God, isn't the word used "Elohim"?<br /><br />You seem to be interested in the origin and intent of such words, so I figure I can ask: In Genesis 1 the Hebrew says that Elohim created the Heavens and Earth etc, but in Genesis 2 it speaks of Elohim Yaweh, which is the proper name for God. Why the different distinction from the same author in the same sitting?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07618291748801559448noreply@blogger.com